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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:13 pm 
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The problem is most definitely the 009, they were designed by Satan himself! :hillbilly:

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:50 am 
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I like how we took a break from the 009 debate......for about 8 post!!!!!

http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/distributor.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:03 am 
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For the most part that was a good write-up, but obviously John isn't going to bash 009's since he sells htem "by the ton".

I still need to get mine on a dyno and find where my motor's detonation threshold is, but it's just a couple of key strokes and I can change the whole curve :dance:

John is right about getting a 4 mpg increase when running a SVDA dizzy, just using engine rpm for the advance curve is very primative. That works awesome when your at the drag strip...either idle or WOT. In the real world you will be cruising at part throttle, and a centrifical dizzy won't know the difference between that and WOT. At part load you can run moar timing then WOT, so all you guys running stock carb and a 009 or even 010 are shooting yourself in the foot with mileage and throttle response. I recently went to ITB's which has the same issues of weak vac signal as running IDF's or IDA's (or any of the dual twin body carbs). Well that took some sorting but I have enough signal with proper indexing of my timing map to let me run 34-35deg at WOT and 45deg at part throttle. 30+ mpg is easy to get with that and the throttle response is amazing.

why I hate the 009 is it's advance curve, it's very quick and you'll have full advance by 3000 rpms. what does that mean? It means your stuck running the same timing at 3000rpms all the way to redline in all load conditions. Very primative indeed.

I'm not trying to change any minds but I do want to open eyes and get some thought juices flowing. Just because that's the way peeps do it and "it works" by no means makes it the best way to go about getting "performance" from our lil motors.

I'm stepping down from the soap box and hopping into my flame suit...bring it! :redguy:

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:25 am 
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FYI 010s have an even quicker advance curve, all their advance is in by about 2000 RPMs, so by your criteria the 010 would be the worst ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:32 am 
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absolutely, but the 010 is a cast housing ands is more resilient to flexing then the 009. 010 is also rebuiltable and there are no cheap chinese knockoffs of it.

Brian, I think your starting to see the light w:pw

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:10 pm 
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More resilient to flexing? LMAO! You spend way too much time reading BS on the internet...

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:41 pm 
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your right, I don't know why I even bother learning everything I can about 009's, I'm using something that is superior in every single way. I was telling Billy my boost plans and he can't grasp a medium compression(9:1 isn't high compression, except in the acvw world), moderate boost setup(I wouldn't call 10-12psi high or low boost). Very doable with a real ignition system and reliable fueling...carbs and 009, not so much :nono: I am confident I can get 250-300whp from just a 2L, it will come down to getting the right turbo. It will be a hot minute till I get serious on that build, lots of $$$ when all I got is lots of $.01's. :hillbilly:

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:31 pm 
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You're delusional son, people make that kind of power all the time with carbs and dizzys with turbos. And until you do, its all talk...

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:35 pm 
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and its going to be all talk till i have the $$$ which is going to be a while. in your defence there is a guy local to me with a 2332 and high dollar turbo setup. he has a a fancy ign system but is running a holley 4 barrel and making over 400whp. He was complaining about drivability w:pw

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 Post subject: Re: Performance Issues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:02 pm 
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Update:
The aftermarket no name coil doesn't look so good. I can hear the oil sloshing around inside. I installed the new Blue coil I had.
The carb didn't look too bad, bud it did have sediment and gunk in it. Its in the soak tank right now, gonna rinse and blow it out tomorrow. New fuel filter is already installed.

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