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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:56 pm 
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you don't have the same shock travel as stock if you're moving the axle up regardless of how you do it...
The better ride of a dropped front spindle is not the result of shock travel, it's the improvement in suspension geometry.
I guess if you are going really low the advantage is that you don't have to notch the spring plate to keep it from hitting.



Sir you are wrong. you still have the same shock travel due to the fact the shock mounts are cut away and repositioned on the dropped plate to have the same travel as stock.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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mk-Zero wrote:
you don't have the same shock travel as stock if you're moving the axle up regardless of how you do it...
The better ride of a dropped front spindle is not the result of shock travel, it's the improvement in suspension geometry.
I guess if you are going really low the advantage is that you don't have to notch the spring plate to keep it from hitting.



Sir you are wrong. you still have the same shock travel due to the fact the shock mounts are cut away and repositioned on the dropped plate to have the same travel as stock.


oh, I thought it was just a spring plate, didn't realize you had to hack the shock mounts. lets see some pics.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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mk-Zero wrote:
ConcreteAce wrote:
mk-Zero wrote:
you don't have the same shock travel as stock if you're moving the axle up regardless of how you do it...
The better ride of a dropped front spindle is not the result of shock travel, it's the improvement in suspension geometry.
I guess if you are going really low the advantage is that you don't have to notch the spring plate to keep it from hitting.



Sir you are wrong. you still have the same shock travel due to the fact the shock mounts are cut away and repositioned on the dropped plate to have the same travel as stock.


oh, I thought it was just a spring plate, didn't realize you had to hack the shock mounts. lets see some pics.


yep you have to cut away the stock shock mount. i believe i posted pic's on courtney's thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:09 pm 
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as far as dropped spindles go. I agree with you when you say they correct the geometry bringing the wheel closer to the driver and not the headlight bucket, but they also give you more travel than just dropping with adjusters. have you ever pushed down on a front end with with stock spindles when it is dropped via adjusters? I get no movement in the shock. add dropped spindles and no adjusters and you can push the front end up and down. So i disagree with you there as well Doc. Only because i have experienced this myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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as far as dropped spindles go. I agree with you when you say they correct the geometry, but they also give you more travel than just dropping with adjusters. have you ever pushed down on a front end with with stock spindles when it is dropped via adjusters? I get no movement in the shock. add dropped spindles and no adjusters and you can push the front end up and down. So i disagree with you there as well Doc. Only because i have experienced this myself.


I had my car on the ground with just the adjustable beam at first. When I put the spindles on it seemed much less harsh (by harsh I mean stiff, not bouncy), but I contend that is more a function of the trailing arm geometry than shock travel per se. Lots of people don't even run front shocks and I'm sure they would all agree that their cars ride better with dropped spindles than with beam only, even in the absence of shocks in both scenarios.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:18 pm 
Here is a shot of the plate installed

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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Those better be Metric bolts! :help:

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:39 pm 
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Thanks for the picture Chris. Looks pretty cool!
Out of curiosity I measured the location of the bottom shock mount on my car in relation to the axle and compared it to measuring off Chris's picture. My shock is actually about 8% (+ or -) further from the axle than the picture Chris posted. So in reality the shock is basically in the same place in relation to the axle with that kit as with a stock shock mount. So there is no difference in shock travel as far as I can tell. :P

Edit: After looking at Chris's picture more, and after measuring my car, I believe the reason they have you cut off the stock shock mount is because the stock spring plate would be in it's way and you wouldn't be able to bolt the shock up. It looks like they tried to put the shock as close as they could to the stock position with respect to the axle. It's a pretty cool design! 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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Looks like it's more about spring plate angle than shock travel.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris P's '67 Ghia
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mk-Zero wrote:
Thanks for the picture Chris. Looks pretty cool!
Out of curiosity I measured the location of the bottom shock mount on my car in relation to the axle and compared it to measuring off Chris's picture. My shock is actually about 8% (+ or -) further from the axle than the picture Chris posted. So in reality the shock is basically in the same place in relation to the axle with that kit as with a stock shock mount. So there is no difference in shock travel as far as I can tell. :P



I dont think you get the picture at all. when you lower your car by the splines the shock gets compressed which leads to less travel which is why they sell lowered shocks. with the drop plates the distance from the upper and lower shock mounts are the same as stock there fore you have the same travel as if the car was at stock height. You should see the postion of the stock mount as compared to the dropped plate.the stock lower mount is about 1 and 1/2 inches to the right (before you cut it off)

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